tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post3124714261979139604..comments2024-03-19T09:19:39.539+00:00Comments on Constantly Furious: VAT's what we needConstantly Furioushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03010139518958428871noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-82055924467312078582010-05-18T14:41:46.795+01:002010-05-18T14:41:46.795+01:00"..the revenue you're talking about doesn..."<i>..the revenue you're talking about doesn't take account of either reduced demand, as noted by commenters here, or increased benefits..</i>"<br /><br />If we put VAT up to 25% (like the Swedes and the Danes) then a flat screen telly will go up by about 25 quid. Do you really think that will kill 'demand'?<br /><br />A Big Mac will go up by about 20 pence. Do you Constantly Furioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02820008075933084222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-85721819180437172772010-05-18T13:41:59.656+01:002010-05-18T13:41:59.656+01:00You want to increase VAT now?! With inflation at 3...You want to increase VAT now?! With inflation at 3.7%? Have you lost the plot, man? You people have all been yammering on about ZaNuLiebor for years. You want it to be ZaNuCoalition instead?<br /><br />Besides, the revenue you're talking about doesn't take account of either reduced demand, as noted by commenters here, or increased benefits as outlined in the report whose figures you cite.Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01708444000412716821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-51515682350521449972010-05-17T16:07:14.637+01:002010-05-17T16:07:14.637+01:00@David: "I'm meaning scum like Ashcroft a...@David: <i>"I'm meaning scum like Ashcroft and Murdoch who swan into this country, wank on about 'benefit cheats' and then bugger off again without paying any tax."</i><br /><br />And never buy things while they are here, or run companies employing people here, or engage services while they are here..?<br /><br />Your views on how a country should treat visitors are absurd.JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-45573253092841844382010-05-17T15:04:20.622+01:002010-05-17T15:04:20.622+01:00"Socialists believe in tax, tax, tax and I th..."Socialists believe in tax, tax, tax and I thought we'd got rid of them?"<br /><br />Believe me, you would not want to live in a Britain where the government tried to solve this mess through spending cuts alone. Because the spending would be in the negative numbers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-55470777414191210302010-05-17T14:50:57.998+01:002010-05-17T14:50:57.998+01:00@ JuliaM @David: you are just using rhe politics o...@ JuliaM <i>@David: you are just using rhe politics of envy here, talking about 'the rich'. How many of them are there?</i><br /><br />I'm not really using the politics of envy.<br /><br />I'm meaning the scum who run the private equity raiders who brag about "paying less tax than their cleaners". I'm meaning scum like Ashcroft and Murdoch who swan into this countryDavidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-21469280633211300762010-05-17T14:17:12.545+01:002010-05-17T14:17:12.545+01:00"Even a massive, savage slash at the Public S..."Even a massive, savage slash at the Public Sector isn't going to keep the debt collectors from the door."<br /><br />When I've seen a million or so public-sector parasites dangling from lamp-posts, and another three or four million sacked, and the pensions of the rest of them halved, and large cut in all state benefits, then, and only then, will I contemplate paying any more Brian, follower of Deornothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11941277617617928470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-75635004747100089962010-05-17T13:42:42.590+01:002010-05-17T13:42:42.590+01:00Anonymous, I agree with you totally. That probabl...Anonymous, I agree with you totally. That probably will happen. They should be cutting the spending on the public sector/welfare and lowering taxes. Unfortunately, I don't think it's enough to cover the deficit without making hundreds of thousands nay millions of public servants and welfare claimants riot in the street. The Poll tax would have been a tea party. Increasing VAT as Hairy Rickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12368216914876595231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-19895036241478347252010-05-17T13:33:39.031+01:002010-05-17T13:33:39.031+01:00Here's the question tho: say they raise to mak...Here's the question tho: say they raise to make up the deficit, reduce the national for a few years.<br /><br />When those things are behind us (say 10-15 years), do you think it will go back down to 17.5%? Or will the government of the day enjoy the extra cash to spend too much? Remember the lottery was supposed to free up additional cash that used to be spent on the arts, etc. Has it? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-78076213946598666652010-05-17T13:28:05.544+01:002010-05-17T13:28:05.544+01:00"Making cunts like Murdoch and the Private Eq...<i>"Making cunts like Murdoch and the Private Equity thieves pay their fair share will raise far far more than a few piddly pence on a Mars bar."</i><br /><br />It really, actually, and genuinely will not. At all. Probably even if it WAS just a few pence on a Mars bar which obviously it isn't. <br /><br /><i>"As for the rest of Europe having higher VAT, it is true, but only Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-28122492448121150492010-05-17T13:27:07.503+01:002010-05-17T13:27:07.503+01:00Oh I see,
"If rich cunts like Ashcroft want...Oh I see, <br /><br />"If rich cunts like Ashcroft want to put their money in the Cayman Islands, fine. They can fuck off and live where their money is, with British citizenship permanently revoked"<br /><br />Well, squeeze them hard enough and they probably would, just jetting in and out as visitors. So we should also revoke their citizenship eh? Hand it out on a fucking plate to Hairy Rickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12368216914876595231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-19965258402020061332010-05-17T12:52:35.799+01:002010-05-17T12:52:35.799+01:00@David: you are just using rhe politics of envy he...@David: you are just using rhe politics of envy here, talking about 'the rich'. How many of them are there? You could pass an instant-effect confiscation law (abturn 'em upside down and shake them law) and still not reduce the gap, not by much.<br /><br />There just aren't enough of 'the rich' to make a difference...JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-35102892029055277012010-05-17T12:48:03.986+01:002010-05-17T12:48:03.986+01:00We elected them to make the hard decisions, didn&#...We elected them to make the hard decisions, didn't we? Not to make friends with everyone...JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-23966376917520573012010-05-17T11:58:55.471+01:002010-05-17T11:58:55.471+01:00No, what we need is higher income tax on the wealt...No, what we need is higher income tax on the wealthy and the closure of more tax loopholes for the very rich.<br /><br />If rich cunts like Ashcroft want to put their money in the Cayman Islands, fine. They can fuck off and live where their money is, with British citizenship permanently revoked.<br /><br />Making cunts like Murdoch and the Private Equity thieves pay their fair share will raise Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-40592531448808006602010-05-17T11:52:47.960+01:002010-05-17T11:52:47.960+01:00Dippyness; I agree - the anachronistic zero rate o...Dippyness; I agree - the anachronistic zero rate on chidren's clothes and food dates from a less affluent era when prices were relatively higher.<br /><br />School uniforms, textbooks and childrens' shoes exempt, along with raw, unprocessed food; VAT charged in full on ready meals, books and children's 'fashion'. Simples!Macheathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04451439759398780345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-21897591759266764142010-05-17T11:39:31.899+01:002010-05-17T11:39:31.899+01:00"Hmmmm..... You forget that high VAT will als..."Hmmmm..... You forget that high VAT will also have the effect of lowering demand.<br /><br />Income tax raises all round please. Oh, apart from the rich?"<br /><br />ANY tax rises reduce demand. In any situation where people have less disposable income, they spend less. Know what makes people spend less? Yeah, it's when the country goes bankrupt.<br /><br />As CF points out, the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-76885632820264689432010-05-17T11:19:46.480+01:002010-05-17T11:19:46.480+01:00My late father reckoned that we should scrap incom...My late father reckoned that we should scrap income tax altogether and bang the whole bloody lot on VAT. Have a reduced or zero amount on essentials like food. That way, you'd keep all the money you get paid. You could then choose how you spend it. New clothes, car, dishwasher, stereo you pay the tax. Thrifty, grow your own veg, brew your own wine, clothes from charity shops you pay lessHairy Rickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12368216914876595231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-67910301732669952222010-05-17T11:00:09.701+01:002010-05-17T11:00:09.701+01:00Been saying we have one of the lowest VAT rates in...Been saying we have one of the lowest VAT rates in Europe. <br />20% sounds good to me. 5% on kiddies clothes... Seen the amount that get bought by the so called "hard up" parents for their sprogs?<br />Keep it off school uniforms.<br />Uncle Marvo is right. Dropping it to 15% was a massive con. :(Dippyness.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03074617995848289735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-74850590631770354832010-05-17T10:39:17.710+01:002010-05-17T10:39:17.710+01:00Hmmmm..... You forget that high VAT will also have...Hmmmm..... You forget that high VAT will also have the effect of lowering demand.<br /><br />Income tax raises all round please. Oh, apart from the rich?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-46774940472236360352010-05-17T09:42:10.709+01:002010-05-17T09:42:10.709+01:00Increasing VAT & other taxes to raise hard-nee...Increasing VAT & other taxes to raise hard-needed cash is one thing .. but at the same time other measures MUST be taken ..<br /><br />For example, if one compares the cash flow like a sausage machine ie cash in, cash out .. there's little or no point in strangling our own people at one end of the sausage-making process, yet allowing that additional revenue to haemorrhage away at the Captain Haddocknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-18217575526791025182010-05-17T09:27:53.049+01:002010-05-17T09:27:53.049+01:00Cammie/Clegg must raise it NOW; & steeply. So ...Cammie/Clegg must raise it NOW; & steeply. So it is irrevocably associated with the Brown Inheritance.Joe Publichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02584863023143282896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-36525350897888104582010-05-17T09:14:43.457+01:002010-05-17T09:14:43.457+01:00Don't put VAT on essentials, because only a cu...Don't put VAT on essentials, because only a cunt would do that. Then hike it. Properly. 25% until the mess is sorted, regressive tax my ringpiece. Don't get me started on stats, it's my sodding job to lie to people with filthy figures, and I'm not even a banker.<br /><br />It appears to me that if some fuckwit hadn't dropped it to 15% last time then we'd be better off Uncle Marvohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00146362608723100601noreply@blogger.com