tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post6234335942678935874..comments2024-03-19T09:19:39.539+00:00Comments on Constantly Furious: #paulclarke : serves 'im right?Constantly Furioushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03010139518958428871noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-13433447467112286842009-12-19T23:42:30.387+00:002009-12-19T23:42:30.387+00:00Anonymous - I refer you to...
"In his statem...Anonymous - I refer you to...<br /><br />"In his statement, he said: "I took it indoors and inside found a shorn-off shotgun and two cartridges.<br /><br />"I didn't know what to do, so the next morning I rang the Chief Superintendent, Adrian Harper, and asked if I could pop in and see him.<br /><br />"At the police station, I took the gun out of the bag and placed it on Lee Griffinhttp://www.twitter.com/niaccurshinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-84015110115926571952009-12-19T19:31:28.549+00:002009-12-19T19:31:28.549+00:00What? Fuss over nothing? A man is arrested, spends...<i>What? Fuss over nothing? A man is arrested, spends time in a police cell and is then given a criminal record, and that's 'nothing'?</i> I've seen certain bloggers claim that said defendant has a 'previous.'<br /><br />I've not (yet) seen other bloggers trash this defense. <br /><br />Certainly a 'member of the public' should have some defense against a PJHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11331948749785269728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-365169084100134552009-12-19T16:38:36.530+00:002009-12-19T16:38:36.530+00:0019 December 2009 08:13
Niaccurshi said...
...19 December 2009 08:13 <br />Niaccurshi said...<br /><br /> Hey folks,<br /><br /> Here's what we know. He told the police something that wasn't the truth ......<br /><br />Please go back to the root of the debate Niaccurshi. Paul never told the police he had 'just found' the gun. He told them the truth. the police in the court did not dispute his statement. they did not Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-77235709438956574082009-12-19T15:56:44.300+00:002009-12-19T15:56:44.300+00:00"I'm afraid you obviously do. You regard ..."I'm afraid you obviously do. You regard the system as inherently good"<br /><br />Perhaps "good" is the wrong term. Least bad on balance for everyone is more accurate I guess.<br /><br />"ergo you are fine with allowing the word of the police to overrule the courts"<br /><br />Not at all, let's conjoin more unrelated stances to make our point shall we?<br />Niaccurshihttp://www.twitter.com/niaccurshinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-10324099234921402792009-12-19T15:48:47.203+00:002009-12-19T15:48:47.203+00:00"why would a crown court judge not consider p..."why would a crown court judge not consider public opinion?"<br /><br />Because in general they don't. For every case like this where the public can claim that the judge came down on their side, there's another where people claim the courts aren't fulfilling the public's wishes. This is because judges are generally consistent to the sentencing guidelines they have, and Lee Griffinhttp://www.twitter.com/niaccurshinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-55872528431190333372009-12-19T15:46:54.711+00:002009-12-19T15:46:54.711+00:00Hey folks,
Here's what we know. He told the p...Hey folks,<br /><br />Here's what we know. He told the police something that wasn't the truth (he said he'd just found the weapon, in fact he has kept hold of it). He tampered with potential evidence of a crime by moving and handling the weapon. He carried a dangerous weapon in an unsecured fashion through a public place (in his trousers if you believe the police, many of you here wonNiaccurshihttp://www.twitter.com/niaccurshinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-55152634837933846452009-12-19T08:13:18.360+00:002009-12-19T08:13:18.360+00:00@niaccurshi I've seen the paperwork and I know...@niaccurshi I've seen the paperwork and I know that he didn't do anything wrong. I've seen the stuff about the police, though.<br /><br />And it's not just a case of 'he's not going to prison so it's all okay' for all those stupid tweeters because one can argue that it's only the press coverage he received which brought that about. We have government by PR Trixyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015060663707102784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-32047661054131449572009-12-18T22:29:59.365+00:002009-12-18T22:29:59.365+00:00"I'm not vindicating criminal records for..."I'm not vindicating criminal records for dumb people, but then I also don't have as active an interest as you seem to in taking hearsay and rumour to make a resolute stance on a rather misty matter."<br /><br />I'm afraid you obviously do. You regard the system as inherently good, ergo you are fine with allowing the word of the police to overrule the courts. I think that&#Dingdongalistichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17848569458025671647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-9339173249265411402009-12-18T22:28:35.432+00:002009-12-18T22:28:35.432+00:00"If Paul Clarke had done only what you would ..."If Paul Clarke had done only what you would like to believe he had done then I would agree that the good system was tarnished by a bad element"<br /><br />Good system? *Good system?*<br /><br />The system is what is rotten here. Let me remind you that nothing is known for certain. We do not know for certain that Clarke was morally innocent. We do not know for certain that the police Dingdongalistichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17848569458025671647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-7511329331127917522009-12-18T19:00:10.946+00:002009-12-18T19:00:10.946+00:00youve kept this one running CF good on you ! its ...youve kept this one running CF good on you ! its wrong and a waste of money !caesars wifenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-54191453955694202282009-12-18T18:42:28.665+00:002009-12-18T18:42:28.665+00:00All parties in this sound like equal wankpots to m...All parties in this sound like equal wankpots to me.<br /><br />But you can't prosecute someone for being a wankpot. It seems, though, we *can* employ public servants in the criminal justice system who are.<br /><br />Sigh.Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01708444000412716821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-46955864323403430592009-12-18T17:49:41.250+00:002009-12-18T17:49:41.250+00:00"There are some people whose believe that our...<i>"There are some people whose believe that our Government and Police Service is so awful, invent invisible and fictious reasons to condemn its behaviour."</i><br /><br />Well, it's not like the police have been shown, on occasion, to misuse their position and falsify records is it?<br /><br /><a href="http://thylacosmilus.blogspot.com/2009/12/bad-apples-in-barrel.html" rel="JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-43625147163947230492009-12-18T17:47:49.286+00:002009-12-18T17:47:49.286+00:00I am afraid that the statement "the perfect e...I am afraid that the statement "the perfect example of a good system working well" is not in my view correct.<br /><br />The reasons given for the exceptional circumstances means that the decisions to charge and prosecute seem flawed.<br /><br />If the judge was correct, then I cannot see how the police and the CPS could have made their decisions correctly.<br /><br />It is a perfect Jack of Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00519002603649560097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-43069999454368220572009-12-18T17:39:48.715+00:002009-12-18T17:39:48.715+00:00@J of K
Well put. You have the knack of expressin...@J of K<br /><br />Well put. You have the knack of expressing these things clearly.<br /><br />Exactly how 'Niaccurshi' can claim that this is "<i>the perfect example of a good system working well"</i>" beggars belief.Constantly Furioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02820008075933084222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-81687924278250577752009-12-18T17:37:00.700+00:002009-12-18T17:37:00.700+00:00Surely (the other) anonymous is basing their opini...Surely (the other) anonymous is basing their opinion on what was actually made public?<br /><br />Statements that the Police and CPS must have had more to their case constitutes the only conjecture on this comment board.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-8356306613622063202009-12-18T17:36:00.505+00:002009-12-18T17:36:00.505+00:00I do not think a great deal of comfort can be take...I do not think a great deal of comfort can be taken from the court giving a suspended sentence.<br /><br />I think it was an injustice for him to even face a 5 year mandatory sentence, unless the court found "exceptional circumstances". I am glad that the judge did so, but I am uneasy that one had to rely on this before there was a just result overall.<br /><br />When there is both (a)Jack of Kenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00519002603649560097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-83776086841436409182009-12-18T17:01:38.393+00:002009-12-18T17:01:38.393+00:00Anonymous, you have no proof of your claims either...Anonymous, you have no proof of your claims either, that's my overriding point. You're sceptical and paranoid of the authorities...fair enough, I don't really care about that...but let's not pretend that just because you personally believe there must be something afoot here, that it is necessarily anything like a reality.Niaccurshihttp://www.twitter.com/niaccurshinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-82882247454130121372009-12-18T16:54:49.903+00:002009-12-18T16:54:49.903+00:00Clever. But when, on the face of it, this sounds l...Clever. But when, on the face of it, this sounds like a terrible miscarriage of justice. I'm sure it's up to the police and others to justify their actions.<br /><br />Why if there is something more, have the police not come forward with it? Perhaps because it doesn't exist, because this is a rotten case.<br /><br />It's bad enough that the police never admit they're wrong, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-34917581765470990342009-12-18T16:50:00.261+00:002009-12-18T16:50:00.261+00:00There are some people whose believe that our Gover...There are some people whose believe that our Government and Police Service is so awful, invent invisible and fictious reasons to condemn its behaviour.<br /><br />"There must be more", "There has to be something else". We don't need to hear it, see it, know what that smoking gun is. We should just assume it exists, assume they're all terrible evil chaps and get on withNiaccurshihttp://www.twitter.com/niaccurshinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-39722076555026557242009-12-18T16:43:25.121+00:002009-12-18T16:43:25.121+00:00There are some people whose believe that our Gover...There are some people whose believe that our Government and Police Service is so great, invent invisible and fictious reasons to justify its behaviour.<br /><br />"There must be more", "There has to be something else". We don't need to hear it, see it, know what that smoking gun is. We should just assume it exists, assume they're all jolly good chaps and get on with Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8652557843713412263.post-41667785874504918622009-12-18T16:35:49.956+00:002009-12-18T16:35:49.956+00:00You simplify the issue far too much.
You believe ...You simplify the issue far too much.<br /><br />You believe that he did nothing wrong based on what he claims, I believe we don't know the full details of exactly what has gone on but that we do know it was much more interesting than a man just rushing to hand in a gun at a police station.<br /><br />You call it a misunderstanding, again without anything to back up that it was Niaccurshihttp://www.twitter.com/niaccurshinoreply@blogger.com